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The Help of Others – What has Jesus been saying to you?


I like the way the Message puts this into todays words.  

Ecc 4:7-12

 I turned my head and saw yet another wisp of smoke on its way to nothingness: a solitary person, completely alone—no children, no family, no friends—yet working obsessively late into the night, compulsively greedy for more and more, never bothering to ask, “Why am I working like a dog, never having any fun? And who cares?” More smoke. A bad business. 

 It’s better to have a partner than go it alone. 
   Share the work, share the wealth. 
   And if one falls down, the other helps, 
   But if there’s no one to help, tough! 

Two in a bed warm each other. 
   Alone, you shiver all night. 

By yourself you’re unprotected. 
   With a friend you can face the worst. 
   Can you round up a third? 
   A three-stranded rope isn’t easily snapped.

 

The question is how can we best help each other? How can we be good “brothers keepers” and not become Pharisees who simply pointed out the law. A law that Jesus said “is good”

The only answer I am confident about is to point a brother or sister to the living Lord that dwells within the them. 

Can I help people to recognize and hear the voice of Jesus within them and not try to be or interpret that voice? 

Can you help me to hear the voice of Jesus within me and not try and be that voice or interpret the voice I hear within me?

Can we be people who not only hear the voice but follow what Jesus asks us to do.

So what has Jesus been saying to you?

 

 

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8 responses

  1. Christo

    I saw this quote somewhere: “Education is not about filling the bucket, but lighting the fire”.

    Think it is appropriate here 🙂

    October 17, 2008 at 5:03 am

  2. brotherjohnny

    That’s a tough one, bro.
    I do believe in pointing one another to the living One inside, but on the other hand, as Paul says, “To the carnal, I have to speak to you as carnal..”.

    In other words, I have to use the language of precept.

    He talks a bit, as well, about reproving evil works of darkness.

    So, if your brother is commiting adultery, what do you say to him?
    “Seek the Lord within you, brother.” ?
    “Eat of Christ.”?

    That’s bologna, my friend.

    “What are you doing!? Don’t you know that when you sin against my sister that you sin against Christ!?”

    The only access to the Lord within is through the cleansing power of the blood of Christ.
    The only reason to apply the blood of Christ is because we recognize sin.
    This recognition can come about in many ways, but one certainly ought to be from the caring heart of ones brother or sister.

    Oh the travesty of only embracing “the eternal things”!!!

    The problem with the Pharisees, by and large, was that they DID NOT CARE.
    They were only interested in trying to establish their own righteousness.
    “We are holy and righteous!!”
    They would commit horrendous acts against the ‘lesser than’ and then applaud themselves for keeping the traditions of men. They would even rejoice in adhereing to the letter of the law as they transgressed, completely, the heart of the Spirit.

    October 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  3. bolonga? And then you end your point by making my point

    Johnny said: They would even rejoice in adhereing to the letter of the law as they transgressed, completely, the heart of the Spirit.

    No man is to be another man’s teacher – the teacher that we need dwells within us. What we can do for each other is point each other to the one within us. Or as you have referenced we could give them external laws which effect the heart in no way.
    To point to the indwelling Lord in no way denies the power of the cross. It is because of the cross that the teacher now dwells within.
    We are able to come before the Father not because of our works but because the blood has already made us clean. That work is finished. It is our walk to believe in the work that Jesus has done and live the expression of His work.

    Johnny said: Oh the travesty of only embracing “the eternal things” I have no idea what you mean by that line? You might want to explain that some more.

    October 18, 2008 at 6:57 pm

  4. brotherjohnny

    Actually I didn’t make your point.

    The Spirit and the letter do not necessarily contradict one another. While the letter cannot make one perfect, it can make clear one’s need for Christ.

    I understand the reality of having an anointing within which leads us into all truth, but at the same time there is also a function of teaching in the body.

    The gift of prophecy is another way in which we speak into one anothers lives.
    Nathan “taught” David a harsh reality.

    As far as “the travesty” is concerned, I am reffering to a specific brand of “Chrisitianity” which embraces only eternal/Spiritual realities while ignoring “temporal” common sense, i.e; looking at only certain portions of Pauls letter’s while being totally blind to other parts.

    Best regards,
    J

    October 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  5. brotherjohnny

    Let me try to answer your original questions:

    “Can I help people to recognize and hear the voice of Jesus within them and not try to be or interpret that voice? ”

    Yes, I think. At the same time, “interpretation” isn’t always necessary. Sometimes His living Word is very clear. Most of the time, I believe He is simply saying “Love one another.”, as that is the fulfilment of the law. Paul explains this very well in Romans.

    “Can you help me to hear the voice of Jesus within me and not try and be that voice or interpret the voice I hear within me?”

    Again, ‘Yes’….for the exact same reason.

    While “law” is often mis-used and misunderstood, it is not always pitted over and against God’s new covenant ‘grace’.

    Paul says, “Don’t live that way anymore, doing those things that you once did…”.
    Our ambassador to the Gentiles…legalizing or speaking the truth in love?
    “Walk after the Spirit so that you do not fulfill the lust of the flesh.”

    Law or grace?
    Both. But not in the sense that we usually think of.
    Here is the ‘law’: IF YOU WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT…
    It is conditional because there is a principle that Paul is trying to communicate.
    So where is the favor of God (grace)?
    It is in the fact that God has even made a way out for us.
    It is in the fact that He has given us a Spirit to follow…which is what you are saying.
    However, when someone strays from that Spirit, it often takes that same Spirit, in another vessel, to speak the truth, albeit in humility, to the straying member BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HEARING AND DO NOT DESIRE TO HEAR THE VOICE WITHIN.

    Alas, this is your blog and I’ve written enough already.
    Thank you, once again, for suffering my excessive feedback.

    October 20, 2008 at 6:18 pm

  6. Johnny,
    Great reply, I agree with what you have said!

    My only question would be “How do we respond to people without ears to hear?:

    If a person is not hearing the Lord or does not want to hear the Lord what can you do but let them go like the prodigal to the city. They have God given free will. The other way would be to tell them what they are to do thus causing them to be like the older brother of the prodigal son. The older brother is just as rebellious as the prodigal (doing things out of duty or lust and not love) but is unable to see the effect of his own rebellion until the younger brother returns. It is only them that his unloving rebellious heart is exposed. The rebellious heart is one that is not like the Father’s heart.

    October 20, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  7. Johnny said:
    As far as “the travesty” is concerned, I am reffering to a specific brand of “Chrisitianity” which embraces only eternal/Spiritual realities while ignoring “temporal” common sense

    Good- Again, I agree with the thought that a lot of Christianity ignores life on this earth. This is one of the reasons I try not to claim to be Christian anymore just a follower of Jesus.
    You are right to say that the Spirit and the letter do not necessarily contradict one another but “”””it is only by the Spirit (voice of the Lord) that we should be lead.””” I have heard and believe that you can hear the voice of the Lord in anything – A song, a letter, a book, a preacher, a comic, a actor, a poem, a piece of art, a tree etc. The important thing is “having an ear to here”
    I also believe that our God is a God of the whole being – Body, Soul and Spirit – He cares for our whole being and life in the Spirit is the best things for the body, soul and spirit! God does not want to destroy my body (i.e. flesh) He just wants to free my soul from its control.

    So you did make my point “They would even rejoice in adhereing to the letter of the law as they transgressed, completely, the heart of the Spirit.” – Maybe I was not communicating my points clear enough. 🙂
    Thanks for the interaction Johnny

    October 20, 2008 at 9:13 pm

  8. brotherjohnny

    Thanks Chris.
    I get in a hurry and don’t always take everything in before responding.
    “Chrisitian” is a label that I wouldn’t mind wearing if it were put on me by someone who knew what Christ was about…but even then, I’d be un-worthy.

    He is worthy of our praises, brother.

    October 21, 2008 at 11:04 am

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